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A Tale of Two Hygienists Podcast

Jul 14, 2021

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Inspired by the book, What Happened To You?, by Bruce D. Perry and Oprah Winfrey, Michelle and Andrew have invited Jasmin Haley, RDH, MSDH, CDA to discuss Adverse Childhood Experiences (ACEs). The Founder and CEO of Beyond the Prophy and Co-Founder of the MOMgienist Community, Jasmin has extensive experience as a dental hygienist, national educator, and assistant, and is a 2018 recipient of the nationally recognized Sunstar/RDH Award of Distinction. Currently, she is also a speaker and a business growth strategist who helps entrepreneurs scale their business.  


In today’s episode, our hosts and guest discuss ACEs, how they impact the lives of people, and the effects shown in individuals with high ACE scores. They also discuss how the brain works and how it embeds our experiences, the differences between PTSD and ACEs, and also how the gaps in education can prevent healthcare workers from realising how patient behavior can be a result of dealing with trauma. Jasmin concludes by recounting how she, despite having a high ACE score, was able to push through, and advising us all to look inwards and save ourselves by asking that most important question, “What happened to me?”





Interview starts: 9:56



-   Jasmin discusses her new journey as an entrepreneur and business growth strategist.

-   What Are Adverse Childhood Experiences (ACEs)?

-   The effects on ACEs - the number one public health threat.

-   Defining a traumatic event.

-   Types of ACEs and their impacts on a developing brain

-   PTSD vs ACEs - the differences

-   Kaiser Permanente’s research on ACES

-   The education gaps healthcare workers have and how they affect patients.

-   Lessons from the book, What Happened To You?, By ‎Bruce D. Perry and Oprah Winfrey.

-   How the brain embeds our experiences.

-   Jasmin’s struggles with ACEs as a child.

-   What is resiliency?

-   The importance of looking inwards to find out what happened to you.

-   The tree of regulation.

-   3 ways to help patients dealing with traumas

-   How to bring up the subject of ACEs with people





“The question should always be ‘What happened to you?’, regardless of what that person's problem is.”


“Every course that I've taught, I realized that there were gaps in our education.”


“To know that there is a whole other world of healthcare workers out there that are not trauma informed and could therefore be harming our patients more than doing good is scary.”


“How many times did I not give my patients the treatment that they needed because I was annoyed with their behavior that they might not have not even understood.”


“There's a huge component of resiliency that we all have but there are many of us that are left behind.”


“When we look at ACEs, it's almost like an oil spill, and it just spills over every single possible medical condition you can think of.”


“What if these children who had these experiences had that one person that just poured into them at that right moment?”


“It starts with us, we've got to work on ourselves first.”


“It sounds like the majority of us are broken so we might not know how to save ourselves first.”


“We're meant to be in community. We are relational creatures.”


“How are we impacting every single person that we're meeting in a meaningful way?”


“If we're not willing to give ourselves that same amount of compassion, how in the world are we going to do that for our patients?”





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